Showing posts with label Ron Darling. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ron Darling. Show all posts

Friday, July 11, 2008

The Death of Starting Pitching on the New York Mets...kinda

For all of you that know me out there, you know there are two things that I just fully cannot stand. The first being Radiohead, and the second being the New York Rangers. Well you can now add the handling of pitching staffs by all Major League teams (especially our beloved New York Mets) to that list.

Now I know that the bullpen is an integral part of the Major League game nowadays, and that in the minors pitchers are groomed to only go seven innings. I also know that in this age of the high priced bullpen and the evil pitch count complete games are a pretty much a rarity. But let's be realistic, there is no excuse for the Mets to not have one complete game this season. None. There have been times this year where I have been watching games and Willie or Jerry (pending on time of season) would come to take out a pitcher and I would just ask myself...why? I'll tell you right now, you would have never seen that with Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, or my boy Ron Darling (keep in mind one of my ultimate goals in life is to be "boys" with Ron Darling...he just seems like such a cool dude). Seaver probably would have actually flipped off whoever it is that was trying to take him out of the game. It would have been a slap in the face of a pitcher to take him out of the game as he was pitching a shut out back in the 70's, 80's, or even the early 90's. But recently it has become an all too common trend.

There have been two games this season that I can think off of the top of my head, where both Willie and Jerry have removed Johan Santana too soon. Now I know Santana has a history of never throwing complete games, and taking himself out of games, but this is where Jerry needs to now step up. We are going to pay this man $150 million and he can't throw us a complete game shut out every now and again. I was down in Philly for the 4th of July game where Duaner Sanchez decided that you only need two outs to complete an inning. Santana had under 100 pitches going into the ninth, and was still mowing down batters. But at the end of the eighth the doors to the pen opened, and out trotted Mr. Sanchez. JD=stunned. Of course that is the only game we lost in the series (thanks guys), and in the long run its not too much of a big deal anymore, but it really makes you wonder where this non complete game mentality that the New York Mets have came from. I would also like to think that Jerry would want to use this as an opportunity to show the players that this is HIS show. Putting his foot down on his ace (who coincidentally is the best pitcher in baseball) would show me a lot, and make the Willie firing more justified.

Before I get back into this art of pitching discussion, I must make a quick comment about our new manager. Now, I had problems with the ways Willie ran things at times, but I wasn't calling for his head. But I read Jayson Stark's Rumblings column today over at ESPN, and Billy Wagner basically set me straight about Willie. In short he basically said, it is nice having a more "Met-like" clubhouse under Jerry. Wagner also said that it was a nice change from the "Yankee-like" clubhouse that Willie ran. Wags also went on to say that the players have been more relaxed, and the clubhouse has been a better place in general. Now he never trashed Willie, as he likes Willie as a person (and how could you not). But if the Mets continue these winning ways under Jerry and make a run in the playoffs, I Jersey Dan, will feel like a huge fool for supporting Willie for as long as I did. I'm already starting to feel like a huge fool with the way our bats are starting to wake up. Though I can't stand the way Jerry handles his pitching staff at times.

Back to that pitching thing. Oliver Perez on Sunday. Even before the rain delay he was going to take Perez out. Why? He's young, he was actually pitching well, let the man throw until he can't throw no more. Perez needs as much time on that mound as possible. If he is to ever get consistent on the hill, that is the way he is going to do it. Same with Pelfrey on Tuesday. People will say his pitch count is high and what not. Who cares, pitch counts are the dumbest, most useless, overrated stat in baseball. The problem is pitchers need to learn how to pitch better again. Pitchers just aren't as good nowadays. They don't have as many good pitches in their arsenal, and as the great Ralph Kiner said a few weeks back during a game "they don't pace themselves." The reason all the great pitchers could go nine innings was because they paced themselves and they only threw hard when they needed to. Let's face it, Santana is great, but he can't stand up to Seaver, Doc, Ron, Jerry, or El Sid. Those guys were workhorses. I'm sure there are times when Ron is up in the booth just laughing at the fact that Mets starters are being taken out of games that they are throwing shut outs in. I think Ron understands this new age of pitching, but at the same time I'm sure Ron thinks its weak (that's just me assuming though).

What can be done? Well it starts in the minors. Pitchers should be groomed to go nine innings. Not six, not seven, not 100 pitches, but nine innings. Nine innings should be the goal. Now obviously on some days pitchers won't have their best stuff and they will be taken out, and that is fine by me. But if a pitcher is on, he should be staying in the game and giving his bullpen a rest. And let's face it, the New York Mets bullpen could use a rest every now and again. I mean it's nice to see Jerry bring stability to the pen by giving guys certain roles, but that doesn't mean you have use those guys every night. The only guy I have seen Manuel use less is Wags, who doesn't come in nearly for as many non-save situations as he used to.

You can call me old fashioned, but I just wish we could bring back some semblance of old time baseball from the 1970's and 1980's. I mean from what I've been told by the old timers, the quality of play in todays game is nowhere near the quality of play of yesterday's game. The Mets need to start pushing their starters more, start getting them ready for the post season where they might need to throw 125 pitches in a game. If the starting pitching doesn't toughen up and start pitching more innings, this team will not go far in the post season. Not with the way the bullpen has been overworked. You could see the bullpen tiring out in May, so can you imagine what it would be like in October? Read More...

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Friday, September 14, 2007

E-Mail Bag: Gary Keith and Ron

Global NYM reader Anthony writes...

As an ardent Mets fan, I would like to watch a game without the many nonsensical remarks made by Keith Hernandez & Ron Darling. I've noticed so often that Gary Cohen remains silent giving me the impression that he's quietly saying, "Alright guys just knock it off." For example, the Mets-Reds game, Hernandez needs to tell us about his divorce. That's not baseball. Yes, I understand being light, however if I need a comedy show I'll know what channel to tune into. I have already heard my friends watching the game in silence while listening to the radio. What does this say guys?

-Anthony

Wow, my general impression from Mets fans has been that Keith and Ron are two of the better color commentators in the game today.

As we all know, Gary Cohen is one of the great announcers of the game, and other than Howie Rose, who broadcasts games on WFAN, the Mets haven't really been able to find anyone else to fill the shoes of the legendary Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner.

The Mets and SNY brought Keith and Ron in last season to coincide with the year long 20th anniversary of the 1986 World Championship team. They did a similar thing with Tom Seaver in 1999 for the 40th anniversary of the 1969 team.

Ron won the Emmy for Best Sports Analyst in New York last season, and while I personally don't think he was necessarily the "best" analyst in New York last year, he certainly is better than Al Leiter over on YES. In general, Ron has a lot of useful things to say, especially when it comes to how pitchers are throwing certain pitches and such.

I think it's pretty much understood at this point that the only reason Keith is even in the booth is for comic relief, while he occasionally makes a good baseball related point, his existence on SNY is solely to entertain the viewers between pitches. In this aspect I believe he has actually done a decent job.

As our readers over at the facebook group know, one of our most popular threads showcases over 100 of some of the most memorable quotes by Keith while on the air. If you are a facebook user, I strongly recommend you check it out.

for more on Keith, look no farther than



If you find Gary, Keith and Ron nauseating, check out MLBTV, TBS, or ESPN sometime, because you'll find that most baseball announcers out there are much worse. See Michael Kay or John Sterling.

...and in case you didn't know... tonight is Keith Hernandez Mustache night out at Shea. Get your tickets while they're still available people...
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